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cuts which is the true source of the deficit problem along with anemic economic growth. and here's one. we just got confirmation that the latest fiscal numbers from the treasury department show the federal government ran up more red ink in october than it did the year before, and guess what? spending went up double digits from the year before. what a surprise. but the white house got one thing right today. it released a study showing that a massive year-end tax hike would kill consumer spending by $200 billion, right. so let's not raise taxes. and in addition to all of this, the joint chiefs of staff is apparently drawing up plans to keep 10,000 u.s. troops in afghanistan past the 2014 deadline. this break a president obama promise, but some promises are made to be broken, and i think this is probably a good move. but first up congress back at work tonight after the holiday recess with now just 35 days to go. are we any closer to a tax and fiscal cliff fix? cnbc's own chief washington correspondent john harwood joins us now with all the details. good evening, john. >> reporter: good ev
? >> well, first of all, i do believe the middle class has a stake and a good, solid balanced, deficit reduction plan. the plan should be what the president campaigned on, namely balance. that means we've got to have a substantial contribution from revenues. the revenues have to come from the folks who have been making good money during the recession. that's folks over $250,000 or some number close to. that the pentagon's got to make a contribution and if there is anything on healthcare, it's gotta be about reforming it, bringing the costs down, not cutting benefits. >> eliot: let's drill down a couple of pieces of this. what do you think the underlying ratio should be between cost cutting and revenue generation. last summer it was 10 to 1 in terms of cutting costs to revenue. thankfully the deal didn't get done. should it be one-to-one? where would you like to see this happen? >> you know, i actually don't know that number because i think the question is i think we need about a trillion and a half from revenues and the
's translate that. according to the congressional budget office, falling off the cliff would cut the deficit but stop economic recovery in its tracks. now presidents in both parties usually try to put money in people's pocketses to stimulate the economy. president bush sent taxpayers a refund check while obama has cut payroll taxes. p falling off the cliff is a reversal of that approach. that's why the cbo estimates economic growth would drop under 1% to just .5%. and unemployment could jump over a point to 9.1%. heather, we know the costs, we understand this game because the republicans have been playing it for a while. do you think anything has shifted post-election in way that will actually get a deal done? >> i think what's really come to roost for conservatives has been the fact they were pushing a vision for our economy that included basically just this, except for the tax increases, right. they said starting in 2010, the deficit is the most important thing, it's the most important thing, and now, they're basically faced with immediate deficit reduction and realize, oh, this is actuall
dollar deficits every year and throw a tantrum if someone suggests that maybe the taxpayers shouldn't keep subsidizing ever last program washington ever dreamed up. they are reckless and ideological approach threatens our very future. and anyone who is serious about solving the problems we face should ignore all of that starting with the president. megyn: meantime some of the president's supporters unleashed and ad blitz targeting key lawmakers reportedly spending close to $300,000 on an ad buy that talks about increasing taxes but leaving spending alone. here is part of that. >> how do we move our country forward and reduce the deficit, by creating jobs and growing our economy not by cutting programs that families rely on most. megyn: join me now is stu varney, who is host of varney & company. and chris stirewalt. you have all the unions unleashing and ad blitz to target the home states of key lawmakers trying to build pressure on them to not agree to any entitlement spending cuts and they are going directly to the american people to sell that message. what do you make of it? >> i
to pay a little bit more to reduce the deficit. bill: what happens if they don't see a deal? 90% of americans will see a tax hike in 2013. and families that make between $40,000 and $65,000 will have to pay an extra $2,000 to washington, d.c. in taxes. martha: concerns over america's fiscal cliff have sent the markets lower in premarket trading. there is a look at where the dow is poised to open this morning. with the dow, the s & p and the nasdaq all trading lower. speaking of that, a new round of violent protests break out in egypt as police fired teargas into the crowds. here are some of those scenes. >> unbelievable. more than 100,000 people flooded into downtown cairo. this time they are protesting the current president martha maccallum and his power grab. they are disillusioned with what he has brought to their country. then you have this happening. police firing teargas. gypt's highest courts refusing to work in protest of morsi's actions. steve harrigan is streaming live from cairo. the protests looked like the unrest we saw in that same square back in 2009 and the arab
trillion deficit and $17 trillion in debt like putting a band-aid on a grenade wound. >> wasn't the choice very clear in the election, republicans said no tax increases and they got a president who said, well have them and they lost seats in the senate. >>guest: they did but they kept the house of representatives and the americans voted if a government with two parties that control different areas of the government. if there is a mandate it is that americans want both sides to get together to compromise, to work out a solution, and i don't think it was by any means endorsement of raising taxes for the sake of raising taxes. that is worst case scenario for republicans. there is another way, and it is closing loopholes and deductions. >> do all republicans know it? you speak to senator chambliss who says i am doing what is best for the country not living with the no tax hike pledge? >>guest: absolutely, senator chambliss, i cannot speak if him personally but most republicans would say there is a better way to fix the deficit and decrease our national debt and that is what negotiation is abou
out of the deficit crisis just by cutting, cutting cutting and we all will have to raise taxes. >> eliot: of all the permutations that you've heard of the ideas being floated around, is there any deal that is likely to be agreed upon that you can vote for at this point ifin time. >> to be very honest, eliot i get a little bit nervous. i get nervous that instead of bringing back the old clinton era tax rates for the wealthyiest people 39.6, there may an way to wiggle out of that, i get nervous when i hear the president and others continue to talk about quote/unquote entitlement reform, which i'm afraid is just another word for cuts in medicare and medicaid, and maybe even social security. you know, in the first two negotiations in 2010 and 2011, the congress cut $900 billion in programs for working people. the wealthy did not contribute one nickel toward deficit reduction. i think now is the time where the democrats and the president have got to stand firm and say excuse me, the middle class is hurting in this terrible recession. the number of people who are in poverty is at an
negotiated deficit reduction changes. it includes expiration of the bush era tax cuts that would effect everyone. expiration of the tax cut around for years can be called a tax increase. the nonpartisan budget office would bring in $1 trillion in ten years. on tap, 1.2 trillion in spending cuts for ten years. $100 billion in first year. half to defense programs. half to nondefense. cbo says going off the cliff would lead to a recession next year. we have fox team coverage tonight. ed henry is trying to read tea leaves on a day of mixed signals from all sides but we begin with mike emanuel on the possibility that g.o.p. lawmakers may put their oath of office above a promise to antitax increase organizer. good evening. >> good evening. the republican sources say they are offering a balanced approach of significant spending cuts and some revenue without boosting tax rates. >> we have been responsible as we remain firm on this point. no tax increases now for promised spending cuts that won't materialize later. the american people have seen that game before. they won't be fooled again. >> th
puts forward his plan. how is he going to close the other part of that deficit? you know, his proposal right now, the most he can say would raise would be about $68 billion when our deficit last year was $90 billion. what is the president's plan for closing the additional additional $1 trillion worth of deficit? i think that's incumbent on the president to put forward his plan. >> from your standpoint alone, there's no way you see fit in the coming 35 days that you would break that pledge with glove norquist. >> well, thomas, let's use a couple numbers here. even with this measly economic growth we've seen the last three years, revenue at the federal government has increased $344 billion per year. if we just return to a normal economy that returns about 18.5%, that would increase revenue an additional over $400 billion per year, that's $750 billion of revenue per year through economic growth. and the president, his proposal would raise 1/10 of that but would put at risk the economic growth and that $750 billion. so -- >> sir, with all due respect, though -- >> counterproductive. >> tha
approach to reducing the nation's deficit. let's bring in our panel. mary katharine ham editor-at-large of hot air.com and fox news contributor. peter mirijanian former advisor to the clinton-gore and gore-lieberman campaigns. when the president arrives at the white house to speak, he will have people behind him, ordinary americans who reached out to the white house and want their $2,000 middle class tax cut preserved. republicans are saying this is essentially a campaign stunt, a campaign appearance kind of event of the he won the election. he should get on the business of governing. what do you say? >> well, one quick observation, jon. i think what you're seeing, what i think is interesting the first social media presidency. this administration using technology and using social media to advance their agenda. but look, all presidents do this. george w. bush after his re-election famously said he has now the political capital he intend to use. so going to the public and going sort of over the head of congress is something democratic and republican presidents always do what they
're saying is we don't want to cut the deficit too fast. now when it comes to the fiscal deficit -- >> i want to transition you to the other hot topic that we've been following. it's senator john mccain and his stance or lack thereof now against ambassador susan rice. let me play what he said earlier. i believe it was november 14th and his new line of words, i guess, regarding her possible nomination for secretary of state. let me play it back to back. >> we will do whatever's necessary to block the nomination that's within our power as far as susan rice is concerned. >> she could conceivably get your voros for secretary of state? >> i think she deserves the ability and opportunity to explain herself and her position. >> lois, what's the scoop there there and what's behind this change? >> i think that john mccain is a very, very smart politician, and, you know, a smart politician doesn't want to box in the opponent like he tried to do with president clinton so that president clinton runs out and nominates her. i think everybody needed to kind of cool off a little bit and if he backs off, the
we should have a balanced approach to deficit reduction that doesn't hurt the economy or hurt middle class families. glad to see if you have been reading the pains more and more republicans in congress are agreeing with this idea we should have a balanced approach. >>shepard: he referenced some in the g.o.p. who signal they could be willing to play bull. the republican leadership still is insisting they will not consider tax hikes. >> republicans are willing to put revenue on the table the it is time for the president and democrats to get serious on the spending problem our country has. >>shepard: president obama continues the p.r. blitz. later today he is scheduled to meet with big business leaders to discuss the proposed fix to the fiscal cliff. ed henry is live with us at the white house. what seem it is to be lost in this is the tax cuts going to expire. that's it. if they want to extend them on some, they can. but he will not allow it on people who make more. what part of this is confusing? >>reporter: a lot of other pieces that are confusing because no one wants to come to the
the type of serious deficit reform needed to bring down the $16 trillion debt? >> well, you know, i think anytime you're talking about a deficit, there's two ways to bring it down, and i know you know this well. you're either going to raise revenue or have cuts, and i would continue to argue for a balanced approach which means i do think you can find savings in both programs. but what i'm concerned about is what the real agenda is and the real agenda, in my opinion, is to end medicare. i mean, that was certainly a big item in the presidential debate is changing medicare into a voucher program. so what i don't believe in is changing the fundamental structure where we break the guarantee to seniors that we've had in our country for decades. that i disagree with. finding savings, there are certainly ways to do that in both programs, but neither one is going to balance or is going to address the deficit without clearly raising revenue. >> an interesting thing has developed among some of your fellow members in the house, democratic caucus, peter welch of vermont, if a deal is bad, that if it's
. >> how do we move our country forward and reduce the deficit? by creating jobs and growing our economy, not by cutting programs that families rely on most. for working families it's all about putting americans back to work. not cutting the things we rely on most. >> there are signals they can't accept the kind of entitlement reforms in medicare and social security that senator graham is saying are prerequisite to a deal. >> let me tell you, first, george, and you know this, social security does not add one penny to our debt. not a penny. it's a separate funded operation. and we can do things and i believe we should now, smaller things, played out over the long term that gives its solvency. medicare is another story. only 12 years of solvency lie ahead if we do nothing. those who say don't touch it, don't change it are ignoring the obvious. we want medicare to be there for today's seniors and tomorrow, as well. we don't want to go to the poll and voucherizing it and we can make meaningful reforms without compromising the integrity of the program, making sure that the beneficiaries are n
spending and deficits which he says are urgent priorities. >> we're digging a hole very fast. and the first rule of getting out of holes is to stop digging. right now we're digging at the rate of about a trillion dollars a year. i think the economy is sort of waiting, this deficit is like a dark cloud over everything. >> reporter: king worries, though, that nothing will get done if the senate doesn't change its ways. he wants to change the rules on filibusters which allow a minority of senators to bring the senate floor to a halt. >> that was the central core of my campaign, that we have to be thinking with about and working on making the institution work, reaching decisions, compromising. >> reporter: you're going have to be a pretty strong suspension bridge if are you going to be a bridge between those two parties. >> i like the image of a bridge. >> reporter: a bridge he hopes will bring the senates two warring sides together. chip reid, brunswick, maine. >> glor: it is one of the country's most notorious criminal conviction. a new film examines the nightmare of the central park five nex
interest deduction cap from a million dollars to $500,000 say it will help cut the deficit, keep interest rates low, and that could help the housing market all by itself. dean reynolds, cbs news, chicago. >> u.n. ambassador susan rice returns to capitol hill today her meeting with lawmakers yesterday to discuss her explanation of the attack on the u.s. consulate in libya didn't go over very well. she met with three republican senators strongly opposed to her possible nomination to be secretary of state. they were not satisfied with her explanation. >> all i can tell you is that the concerns that i have are greater today than they were before and we're not even close to getting the basic answer. >> following the benghazi attack rice said the assault grew out of a protest and not a terrorist attack. yesterday she said that was incorrect. that there was no protest or demonstration in benghazi. >>> overseas now in egypt the largest crowd yet have turned out to demonstrate against president morsi's declaration of wide ranging new powers. hundreds of thousands of protesters in cairo's tahrir sq
on a comprehensive plan to bring down our deficits, to streamline our tax system, to do it in a balanced way, including asking the wealthiest americans to pay a little more so we can invest in training, education, science, and research. now, i know some of this may sound familiar to you because we talked a lot about this during the campaign. this shouldn't be a surprise to anybody. this was a major debate in the presidential campaign and in congressional campaigns all across the country and a clear majority of americans, not just democrats but also a lot of republicans and a lot of independents agreed we should have a balanced approach to deficit reduction that doesn't hurt the economy and doesn't hurt middle class families. and i'm glad to see, if you've been reading the papers lately, that more and more republicans in congress seem to be agreeing with this idea that we should have a balanced approach. so if both parties agree we should not raise taxes on middle class families, let's begin our work with where we agree. the senate's already passed a bill that keeps income taxes from going up
. >> reporter: but raising taxes is only one-half of a deficit deal. republicans want democrats to raise the eligibility age for medicare. >> i want entitlement reforms. republicans put revenue on the table, democrats always promise to cut spending. i'm looking for more revenue for entitlement reform before the end of the year. >> reporter: so far democrats sound lex flexible. >> we've got to make sure there is seamless coverage of afordable health coverage for every american. my concern about raising the retirement age gaps in coverage or coverage that's way too expensive for seniors to purchase. >> reporter: there are many potential cliffs but higher taxes for structural changes for medicaid and medicare may be abong the biggest. bob corker argued for both warning everyone against punting this until next year or accepting phony savings that don't solve or at least address the underlying deficit and structural debt problems. charlie and norah? >> let me add my voice, congratulations you on this day enharnting one of the big jobs in journalism. they're big shoes
to reduce the long-term deficit, that requires a combination of cuts. it also means asking high income individuals to pay a little bit more. that was a key issue in the campaign. all the exit polls show the american people are on the president's side. the only people who appear to be totally deaf to that are some of the congressional leaders in the republican house and senate. so i think it's important that the president get out and talk to the american people. this is part of the national conversation. this is a very important moment, and so it's important even as the president talks to congressional leaders and he had them down to the white house and continues to be in contact with them, he should engage the american public in this very important national conversation. >> let me ask you, you have a couple of senate republicans who have come out again grover norquist and any kind of notion of a pledge or being held to a lobbyist as opposed to the american people. on the left you have some progressives who are concerned that too many concessions will be made with social security, medic
plus dollars deficit. we need way more than these kind of things to fix this. we need to cut spending. that is what we need to do. this is the only way we will balance the budget. melissa: you make a point not everyone has made, just the impact of the stock market of what is going on. raising taxes on investment doesn't even hurt as much as just how much government spending is going on. >> i will try. this is the heart of economics. call it the cloud or the smart phone or the tablet, those technologies to throw out productivity efficiency. and the games society makes from these technologies, we get reinvested, sort of the savings we had from using a tractor on the farm, so the price of food goes down, the resources get redirected into something new like inventing an automobile, if the government steps in and spends that money, takes it away, taxes it and spends it, we don't get the full benefit of the technologies that we are inventing. that is why we have a percent unemployment rate, growing 2% today. if we had a smaller government, we should be growing faster and have more jobs and
is an integral part of deficit reduction. from my side of the table, bring entitlement reform into the conversation. social security, set aside, doesn't add to the deficit. when it comes to medicare and medicaid, protect the integrity of the program, but give it solvency for more and more years. >> reporter: a source with engine of knowledge -- with knowledge of the negotiation says there is no date set in stone for the next meeting among the principle negotiate othe timing will depend on the progress of staff member, in the next few days. but we should not be surprised if they get together, sthiem week. shannon. >> shannon: we wish them much luck. thank you. our worst-case scenario, there isn't a deal. the former economics director it'll peter tracy, tells what did you say to expect if that happens and what will happen if it doesn't. let's talk positive, first. who do you think, if something comes together, will be the key players. >> we need to see president obama move off the position of entitlements and propose real reductions, tangible, real, so there is something to bala
are going to have to look at entitle reform. entitlement. reform is the only way to get the debt and deficit under control. we've got to take it on. >> chris: let me ask you, you say you would consider more revenue but with loopholes -- >> there's so many of them. >> chris: you voted against the bush tax cuts a decade ago because you said too many of the benefits go to the wealthy, not the middle class. once they were passed you have changed your view and said i'm not going to oppose them. it you could get a deal for entitlement reform and take a chunk out of the national debt, why is the 35% top tax rate which you oppose sacred? >> every economist i respect says if you raise tax rates at this time -- the president says that a couple of years ago -- it harms the economy. we're trying to help the economy. unless i'm convinced raising tax rates will be beneficial, obviously i think there's reason and grounds for my position. i also believe that we can and must get an agreement, otherwise i think first of all the markets are going to start reacting. >> chris: we'll talk about that in the next s
this deficit. in fact, during the 2012 fiscal year the federal government cost $9.7 billion to run each and every day, but the additional revenue from letting the bush tax cuts expire only amounts to around $82 billion a year, meaning the government would be funded for a whopping 8.5 days if in fact the president wins this fight. sadly the real reason we've reached this point is because our elected representatives simply have no idea how to stop spending your money. as a result, the door has been kicked wide open for democrats to use this as an opportunity to scare you into thinking more government, well, that's got to be the answer. we've heard all of this before. now during both the obamacare and the stimulus debates, fear mongering was this president's go-to strategy into getting his way. this is what he predicted would happen unless his so-called recovery plan was passed. >> the situation we face could not be more serious. we've inherited an economic crisis as deep and dire as any since the great depression. economists across the spectrum have warned if they don't act immediately mi
, melissa. you and i know this. a lot of viewers might not know, we have 5.3 trillion deficit because of one person, that is obama. he doesn't seem to change his behavioral patterns now so it is not getting any better. how could we his own budget come up with $5.3 trillion in four years and then say, now we have to somehow find $1.2 trillion for 10 years? meantime he will continue to go ahe and increase the deficit. so i don't have any faith in it. look, this morning i was on "fox & friends." i outlined a lot of alternatives we could do where we wouldn't have to raise taxes. one was, i already introduced legislation that would take care of that. we covered it at some length. but if you looked at what happened in the past, the best way to do this is get all these regulations out of the way so people can grow their own businesses. for everyone percent increase in -- everyone% increase in thatas kennedy back in the '60s. he discovered that. that wasn't republican idea. melissa: you're talking about regulation. i know you're really focused on the epa so i don't want to runut of time without aski
have to tackle the deficit. it's not only what we spend today, it's what with we owe tomorrow. sessions ha said we know what happened in the stimulus of 2009, $800 million was basically wasted. the president himself admitted the failure. there wasn't enough shovel-ready jobs, and not only that, it did not prevent national unemployment from being below 8%. in fact, it hasn't been below 8% for most of his term as president. so sessions was a shot over the bow to senators and house members, don't be fooling around with the stimulus. we've got to fix spending, and we also have to tackle revenue. but it's not going to be done with you now throwing a huge stimulus that we can't afford. ainsley: jeff sessions says spending will go up. do you agree with that? >> no. and as much as i love mr. smith dose to washington, i don't think one senator should be able to buck the will of the american people. two weeks ago we had an election, and the voters spoke loud and clear. they prioritize job creation over deficit reduction. now, the reality is the two don't have to be mutually exclusive, and i think
is an integral part of deficit reduction. yes, from my side of the table bring entitlement reform into the conversation. social security, set aside. doesn't add to the deficit but when it comes to medicare and medicaid, protect the integrity of the program but give it solvency for more and more years. martha: alabama republican jeff sessions is the ranking member on the senate budget committee. senator sessions good morning. good to have you here today. >> martha, thank you. martha: a lot of talk this morning after these sunday shows and watching both sides talk about this fiscal cliff about who seems to be moving and in what direction. what are you hearing, what are you hearing from lindsey graham who says, quote he is willing to break that pledge on taxes under certain circumstances? what are they really saying? >> i'm not sure what they're saying. there's a lot of this talk going on. i don't know who is speaking for the republican party. the house of representatives where you have a substantial republican majority but the truth is that this country does not need to go through t
're willing to close tax loopholes to reduce the deficit, now we haven't yet seen that from congressional republican leaders, but we obviously are seeing it from prominent republicans you showed including senator graham and senator bob corker. >> question about two of those gentlemen here in a moment. cnn this morning talked to grover norquist, incumbents dare to break this pledge, dare to vote to raise taxes. the question was will he do it again? here's norquist. >> we would certainly highlight who has kept their commitment and who hasn't, but the point is historically the people who lose do so because the people in their state have figured that out. >> back to, i think, where you were going a moment ago, bob, it is interesting that when you look at the top two, two of the top republican senators we're talking about who are flirting to break this pledge, break with grover norquist and consider raising taxes on the wealthy they both face re-election in 2014. i'm talking about saxby chambliss and south carolina's lindsey graham. does that say to you that the political winds could be shifti
and we'll have another trillion dollar deficit according to cbo moving into next year and we can't afford anymore like that. if we take what obama would be willing to support which is increase in the age of, again recipients and other type of reforms like that, then we have a legitimate negotiation as we move into it. but when you have liberal members of the democratic party stepping forward and saying before the process begins they will not accept any type of entitlement reform, it makes it untenable process from the beginning. jon: is it no entitlement reform, simon, or is it perhaps entitlement reform when it comes to medicare? i haven't heard anybody talk about reforming social security on democratic side? >> that is good question and i think, look i think we're in the early stages, chris, of this whole debate. eric cantor went on morning joe said and won't raise taxes on anybody under any circumstance which would you argue is stopping negotiations. both sides are laying out positions right now. there are negotiations going on. clearly the fiscal cliff is scaring everybody into action
a dent in the deficit or the national debt. the government is a ravenous beast. jon: that is the point, that monica makes. even if you take the tax rates back for the richest americans to where president obama says today really should be, you're really not going to take care of the national debt in a significant way. >> no, you're not. but, you know, these republicans that talk about this today, most of them voted in the senate and the house for the medicare prescription drug plan under or george bush. that exploded the deficit tremendously. both of them voted for two wars, even if you think they were necessary, with no offsetting revenue to fund those wars. when you have spending like that that these republicans backed ten years ago, never had a problem with, and all of a sudden now they're saying we've got principles, you know, where were these principles ten years ago? >> first of all, fiscal conservatives like me were screaming at president bush and others who went down -- >> but where was the primary for those people? >> but remember, remember, the deficit that president bush left
. >> well --. megyn: where does the money go? does it all go to the deficit, or to the debt? >> no. megyn: because we, a lot of americans think, all right, i want to help my fellow citizens and i don't like this national debt but you know who i don't want to help? i don't want to have jeff neely to have another trip to the hot tub and drink his red wine. >> forgotten about him. megyn: the feds shown propensity for misspending the people's money. >> well, think about this. we're talking about, we have a government that runs a trillion dollar deficit every year. that borrows more than three cents of every dollar it spends. here we're talking about a deal that would be 1.6 trillion over 10 years. talking about $160 billion a year. it is just, just littlest scratch in the surface when you talk about long-term debt and different sits. this is being made out to be a big deal but this money will get you can ised pretty fast. megyn: look at the fight we have over just that. can you imagine the fight we would have if we really tried to tackle the $16 trillion debt? chris, great to see you. >> good
the debt and deficit under control. and we have to take it on. >> chris: but let me ask you. you say you would consider more revenue but through loopholes and deductions... let me ask you, you vote against the bush tax cuts, a decade ago, because, and i went back and looked, you said too many of the benefits go to the wealthy, not to the middle class and once they were passed you changed your view and said they have taken effect. i will not oppose them. but, if you could get a solid deal, with, as you call for, spending cuts and entitlement reform and make a major -- take a chunk out of the national debt, why is the 35% top tax rate which you opposed sacred? >> because every economist that i respect says if you raise tax rates at this time, in fact, the president even said a couple of years ago, it harms the economy. we are trying to help the economy. and, so, unless i can be convinced that raising tax rates will be beneficial, then obviously i think there's reason and ground for my position. but, i also believe that we can and must get an agreement, otherwise i think first of all, the m
to the current debt or the deficit. social security is something that needs to be shored up. it's relatively easy to do compared to the other -- compared to the other problems, but we need to take a balanced approach to the other problems. this idea that we can just -- you know, the american people didn't believe the republican party's nominee who said we can just get rid of some of these deductions. we can get rid of some of the loopholes. that's not going to work. >> i don't understand the, frankly, the contortions being taken by some republicans to avoid raising the tax rate even a point or two at this point. can you explain why it's so important not to raise the rate at all even if it means getting rid of all sorts of deductions? >> because i think you have to say before you raise the rates and say, hey, everyone needs to pay more, we need to look at things we can do to flatten the code, to grow the economy, why would you tell people they have to pay more, small businesses, individuals, before -- >> make them pay more by getting hatch the deductions. >> it makes it flatter and fairer and supp
deficit. it's well funded for decades ahead but if you look at medicare, here's what the president has to say about that. the president says look at the budget i originally submitted to congress and you will see i have put in excruciating detail cuts to the medicare program that i think we can afford so the president has put that forward. there are those in his party to his left who would like to push back on that. but what we have missing from this discussion right now i think is that same level of specificity coming from the republican side on any of the cuts that they have talked about. i mean, that the nuts and bolts of a negotiation over budget deal so, yes, you have laid out this sort of landscape of the politics and where the cuts would come from and in particular the fact that the administration put forward medicare reforms but what we don't see from the other side is specificity on revenues. the republicans say, yes, we need more revenues but they're not willing to exactly spell out what that means and that's missing from their side of the discussion. >> let's move to the hot
, minority leader mitch mcconnell criticized democrats for putting social security off limits in any deficit deal. >> as for social security, the only thing we hear from why in the world wouldn't they want to talk about the fact that this vital program started spending out more than it took in 2010, for the first time in nearly 30 years and that its trustees now estimate that it will keep spending more than it takes it in for 75 years unless we strengthen it. >> brown: majority whip dick durbin answered that social security isn't the issue; it's medicare and medicaid. >> social security does not add one penny to the deficit. it's an important program, a critical program. let's take care of it in the future. let's do it separate from the debt debate. medicare is another story. medicare has 12 years of life left and let me make a point of saying it has eight of those years because of president obama's leadership. >> brown: white house officials said the president will send treasury secretary timothy geithner and legislative chief rob nabors to the capitol tomorrow, to meet with congressional l
and that is however we try to deal with the deficit it has to be balanced and it has to call on wealth the wemt iest americans to do their share, and that's all we're looking for, so i think people are dreaming if they think we're going to get a deal on entitlements in three weeks. that is not going to happen and i think it would be irresponsible to try to come up with any approach to entitlement reform in such a compressed period of time. >> reasonably what do you think can get done in the next three to five weeks until the first of the year? >> i think we can head off the problem with everybody's taxes going up. the senate has already passed a bill extending the tax cuts for 98% of the american people. that's a real easy one if speaker boehner can deliver maybe 30, 35 votes. i think we would be happy to pass that and avert that huge tax increase at the end of the year or beginning of next year and we can extend the spending limits and delay the across the board cuts until a more comprehensive balanced approach is negotiated. >> senator bob corker is putting out a plan that includes a trillion doll
service announced a 15.9 billion in losses, the agency is trying to recoup the deficit. starting inep december 12th. they will follow ebay and amazon and walmart and offer same day delivery. the metro post ames to boost profits by taking advantage of holiday shoppers who get their hands on last-packages and the agency is teaming up with 8-10 retailers to offer it at a $10 flat rate fee. we know that customers will have to place their orders by two o'clock p.m. the latest and items will be delivered between four and eight the same day. they hope to generate 10-50 million. and it expected 20 percent jump in package volume which is more than the rivals. they will look to expand it in other major like new york, boston and chicago et cetera. the outlook is bleak even if it makes maxed profit. that is not enough to plug the budget hole and not taking boo - into the account to run the program. >> we are all pulling for the postal service. time right now. 17 after the hour. it was an iconic image of sandy. new york city crane twisted in half and damaging buildings and now business owners are
care costs continue to be the biggest driver of our deficits. >> reporter: mr. obama has insisted tax rates must rise. today a top democrat signalled openness to the republican stance. revenue could be raised by closing loopholes and limiting deductions. >> they have to go up either real tax rates or effective tax rates. >> reporter: tax begin this week amid tentative steps toward common ground. >> we can't go off the fiscal cliff. we have to show the world we're adults. the election is over. >> reporter: one ceo of honeywell said there's so much uncertainty hanging over the economy because business isn't confident that washington can go its basic job. he says people like me just aren't hiring. kate. >>> mike viqueira at the white house. senator john mccain softened his tone after vowing to block the nomination of u.n. ambassador susan rice to be hillary clinton's successor. he argued that rice damaged her credibility when she said the attack was a spontaneous protest to an anti-muslim video not a planned terror attack. today mccain was asked if he might change his mind about ambassad
except social security. the president argues that social security is not driving the deficit problem. it has solvency issues of its own but the president wants those dealt with downstream, sometime next year and on a separate track. now congressional republicans, especially those eager-- or at least willing-- to raise tax revenue want social security, medicare and medicaid as part of the fiscal cliff negotiations. if that's the price tag of a grand bargain, the white house says at least where social security is concerned it's not going to buy. scott? >> pelley: major, thanks very much. it appears the new president of egypt may be backing away from the biggest crisis there since the revolution. there have been four days of protests after president mohammed morsi seized near absolute powers saying that his decisions cannot be overturned by the courts. well, tonight we're hearing that talks between morsi and the supreme court continue with an eye toward compromise. it's a developing story and holly williams is in cairo tonight. >> reporter: in cairo today, they buried a young man who di
a million dollars to $500,000 say it could help reduce the deficit and keep interest rates low and, scott, that could help the housing market all by itself. >> pelley: dean, thank you. just ahead, researchers have discovered a piece of world war ii history off the coast of florida. presenting androgel 1.62%. both are used to treat men with low testosterone. androgel 1.62% is from the makers of the number one prescribed testosterone replacement therapy. it raises your testosterone levels, and... is concentrated, so you could use less gel. and with androgel 1.62%, you can save on your monthly prescription. [ male announcer ] dosing and application sites between these products differ. women and children should avoid contact with application sites. discontinue androgel and call your doctor if you see unexpected signs of early puberty in a child, or, signs in a woman which may include changes in body hair or a large increase in acne, possibly due to accidental exposure. men with breast cancer or who have or might have prostate cancer, and women who are, or may become pregnant or are breast fee
dick durbin says medicare and medicaid are fair game in deficit negotiations, but insist social security should be left alone. >> social security does not add one penny to our debt, not a penny. it's a separate funded operation, and we can do things, and i believe we should now, smaller things, played out over the long term that gives it solvency. medicare is another story. only 12 years of solvency lie ahead if we do nothing. so those who say don't touch it, don't change it are ignoring the obvious. >> despite showing willingness for reform -- >> can we talk about that for a second? >> i don't want to repeat what you said. >> it's bull hockey. >> that's not what you said. >> this whole thing has been a complete farce for years. there's no trust fund. they raided that a long time ago. but the bigger point, i will because you know what? my heart has grown like the grinch's since thanksgiving. i have so much to be thankful for. >> it's been growing ever since election day, basically. >> so i'm going to be kind. first of all, senator durbin deserves respect on this front because he
could be slapped with new taxes and the state could be thrown into a $11 billion deficit. >> house of representatives could sleet next week. it would expand the number of visas for science and technology students from other countries and make it easier for those students to bring the families to the u.s. house proposal would allow family members to come to the u.s. one year after they applied for the green cards. they say it is a bill to a stepping stone of immigration reform. opponents say the increase for visas for technology student would be upset by eliminating other visa programs. >> it is expected to top the agenda when president obama welcomes mexico's president-elect to the white house this week. he will return to mexico's institutional revolutionary power to party after 12 years when he takes office december 1st. he pushed more nor economic reforms and including overhauls of energy and tax laws. >>> supreme court could decide whether to take up the issue of gay marriage this week. the court is set to hold a closed door conference on friday where they can decide whether the
and economic impact and we're concerned about that. but when we're dealing with the debt and deficit, no matter what we do, in terms of raising taxes or cutting spending, it has a negative impact but we're running a 40% deficit year in and year out. we have to long term get that better aligned. >>> you're going to get the question, does congress know where the deal is going to come on fiscal cliff ultimately and this is all just posturing? you really don't? >> absolutely not. look, we've been dealing with this for a long time and for every dollar in tacks that you're willing to spend, how do you cure that appetite in an instance? we have hard work ahead of us, no question. >> the rebel group known as m-23 took over a major city. they have plans to move on the capital. it's part of a very bloody, bloody regional war. it's seen atrocity on both sides. it's cost millions of lives. you've been very vocal about it. what should the u.s. be doing here? >> this is the greatest humanitarian crisis that nobody has ever heard of. somewhere between 3 to 4 million people have been killed in the last few yea
to come to an agreement on deficit reduction. if they don't, automatic tax increases and spending cuts will go into effect january 1st. both parties say they are ready to compromise but still no real progress has been made. >>> 7:33. one bay area hospital demanding to be reimbursed by the los angeles dodgers for the treatment it gave to bryan stow, the giants' fan brutally beaten in l.a. brian flores is live at san francisco general hospital with more. >> reporter: hi, dave. san francisco general hospital is seeking a $1.2 million medical reimbursement from the dodgers for medical care of bryan stow. the hospital went to -- hospital went to u.s. bankruptcy court in order to seek permission for this. now, stow who continues to receive around-the-clock rehabilitation treatment, initially received brain trauma care at san francisco general for about four months after the alleged beating. stow was brutally attacked in the parking lot of dodgers' stadium while watching the game back in march of 2011. since then, the hospital and essentially taxpayers had to foot the bill for medical care. b
a big budget deficit out there. somebody has got to pay more taxes and some spending has got to be cut. if it's not the wealthy paying more taxes and these are wealthy, remember, who in living memory have never taken home a larger share of total income and wealth in living memory, have never paid an effective tax rate that's as on their breath and income, these are the wealthy who are putting over something on everybody else. if they don't pay more, everybody else has to pay more. >> eliot: somebody's gotta pay it. i think the affirmative shift here is that the deal that the president offered last summer that was rejected by speaker boehner had a ratio of 10-1 cuts to revenue. the republicans said no way. we're not doing that. now we're essentially talking about something that's 2-1 and the republicans are acknowledging the revenue has to be raised. that's a sea change. >> that's progress. progress comes directly out of something called an election. >> eliot: that's right. those are good things, we think. >> un
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